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Old 09-15-2007, 10:55 PM
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My N95 vs iPhone comparison

I know this subject has been beaten to death, but I have a slightly unique perspective to add. Im a die hard Nokia fan till death, and I have always had mixed feelings towards apple products; generally some admiration for the simplicity and functionality mixed with a a heavy dose of distaste towards their marketing ploys and fan base.

Also I have an N95 which I love, and recently have had a lot of iPhones in my possession as I have been reselling them after unlocking them.

I went into this thinking that I would hate the iPhone, and that the only good thing about it would be its innovative touchscreen interface. And initially this is exactly how I felt after playing around a bit with the 1st iPhone I got. The camera sucked, the telephone features were limited and there were essentially no good programs to use.

But once I started unlocking them my thoughts towards the iPhone changed rather dramatically. During the unlocking process I had to take the phone apart and fool around with some of the electronics inside, this was fairly dangerous work as it involved scratching away insulation on the pcb to create a testpoint, in addition to this I also had to work at the software end, and to do so I had to get into the OS of the iPhone. Not suprisingly the iphone is based on a unix type operating system, and this is what lets you interface with the phone to perform the unlock. The steps in the unlock process are many, and complicated, and involve dumping the firmware, editting it and then reflashing the iPhone with teh hacked firmware.

As you guys must know, flashing firmware is always a nailbiting experience, and many an N95 has been bricked due to user error during the flashing process. With the iPhone this is not so, the system is incredibly durable and from what i have seen, it appears that this phone can be fixed, and made fully operational by the average joe end user with some simple programs and some basic knowledge. At this point I have tried many different combinations of unlocking, including pure software only methods, and have also reflashed the phones back to factory settings after each trial to try to cover all the bases. This phone simply cannot be bricked, unless you are maliciously attempting to screw it up.

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Camera,video,tv-out,phone functionality, file/multimedia management/use, readily available programs, are the fronts on which the N95 wins hands down.

User interface, system stability & durability, web browsing, actual Youtube (not m.youtube.com), are where the iPhone wins, (and unfortunately also hands down in every case). In these cases the iPhone appears to win because of the one downside of the N95 which is its ****ty ram. Thus just where the N95 craps out, is where the iPhone excells.

I havent really tried the music player on the iPhone, but im sure its good, the N95 also has a great music player, so I think they could be equal.

The other great thing about the iPhone is the hacking community whose lives are made easier due to the unix based system. These guys have already developed some excellent programs, all of which are free.

I think the future prospects for the iPhone are very promising, even in its current state with crappy hardware such as camera etc, the overall outlook is good just because of the potential for future usability/tweaks due to ease of development of programs for the unix based system.

I am very much looking forward to getting my hands on a 8GB N95 to see how the new RAM helps it out.

IMO the perfect phone would be a marriage of the N95s superior hardware, with the iPhones touchscreen UI, and operating system. Symbian is good, but UNIX can be streamlined to perfection.
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Old 09-15-2007, 11:26 PM
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That made interesting reading, particularly interesting to learn how robust the iPhone OS is... Thanks.
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Old 09-15-2007, 11:27 PM
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Some good points there Tizbad, but the first half of the equation only realy holds water if (as you clearly are) a talented hardware mod'r/hack.
The average Joe isn't and from that point of view has a limited audience. Incidentaly, the company I work for is Unix to the core, for pretty much the same reason, bullet proof reliability..
On the features side of things, as you say the iphone's camera is fairly sh1te which was actualy one of the big reasons I didn't hold on for one (although I may just buy one out of curiosity).
It's pay your money and take your choice as they say, and although I haven't even seen an iphone in the flesh, I've done the reading on it and still decided the N95 was a better buy.
Some good points there fella, just my 2 penneth for what it's worth..

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User interface, system stability & durability, web browsing, actual Youtube (not m.youtube.com), are where the iPhone wins, (and unfortunately also hands down in every case). In these cases the iPhone appears to win because of the one downside of the N95 which is its ****ty ram. Thus just where the N95 craps out, is where the iPhone excells.
Read a few reports that EDGE speeds seriously kill the iPhone's browsing experience faster than "thinking about your nan on the loo kills passion" as an Australian techonology magazine put it...

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I havent really tried the music player on the iPhone, but im sure its good, the N95 also has a great music player, so I think they could be equal.
I doubt it... most audio enthusiasts (myself included) will atest that the N95 and ipod's sound quality are equally as crap as each other... both are pretty easy to use, the one thing I miss about my ipod is I listen to alot of DJ sets, and store the tracklist in the lyrics field, so i could still see what I was listening to... I wish my N95 could display the lyrics or comments field (pref comments)

Very interesting read though :)
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Old 09-16-2007, 04:22 AM
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...the one thing I miss about my ipod is I listen to alot of DJ sets, and store the tracklist in the lyrics field, so i could still see what I was listening to... I wish my N95 could display the lyrics or comments field (pref comments)...
If I may be forgiven a brief digression from the topic... I'm not sure what the 'comments field' is but with the right third-party software, the n95 can certainly display lyrics... In fact the program itself searches for them and downloads them on command.
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If I may be forgiven a brief digression from the topic... I'm not sure what the 'comments field' is but with the right third-party software, the n95 can certainly display lyrics... In fact the program itself searches for them and downloads them on command.
Ahhh K.... In windows media player, itunes etc there's a tag/field called "comments"... that's what I meant...
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Well I dont know about using the iPhones EDGE capabilities because I have not tried. And ofcourse the N95 has HSPDA, which I have not personally used, but have heard from other N95 users that it is blazingly fast.

What I was really referring to (and should have been more clear about) was the wifi web browsing, For which the iPhone browser seems very fast compared to my N95. I think that this is also related to the available system resources, and not the wifi speed so much. And ofcourse the N95 has useful things such as copy and paste, as well as the necessary ability to download attachments and files, (which the iPhone cannot do [for the moment i hope]).

If I were to keep one of these iPhones for myself, I would mostly use it as a portable screen/media tablet. It couldn't possibly replace the N95 was a multi-functional tool. But I have to say that built in real youtube support was a sight for sore eyes, after being disappointed by m.youtube.com on the N95.
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Well I dont know about using the iPhones EDGE capabilities because I have not tried. And ofcourse the N95 has HSPDA, which I have not personally used, but have heard from other N95 users that it is blazingly fast.

What I was really referring to (and should have been more clear about) was the wifi web browsing, For which the iPhone browser seems very fast compared to my N95. I think that this is also related to the available system resources, and not the wifi speed so much. And ofcourse the N95 has useful things such as copy and paste, as well as the necessary ability to download attachments and files, (which the iPhone cannot do [for the moment i hope]).

If I were to keep one of these iPhones for myself, I would mostly use it as a portable screen/media tablet. It couldn't possibly replace the N95 was a multi-functional tool. But I have to say that built in real youtube support was a sight for sore eyes, after being disappointed by m.youtube.com on the N95.
ahh gotcha... thanks for clarifying :)
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One thing about the web browsing being beaten "hands down" with the iPhone... of course we all know it does youtube quite well, but what about flash?

Still no flash in regular webpages?
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ahh gotcha... thanks for clarifying :)
Now I'm finally using HSDPA with the 3 network in Australia, web pages load up pretty well. They certainly load up fast enough. I've used the N95 over EDGE as well and there is a small, but noticeable difference. But it's not enough to write home about. For the most part, I was happy before I got HSDPA. When it came to the crunch and I needed to pull up some pages fairly quickly, it did the job. HSDPA makes things slightly better. On thew WiFi note, I don't even notice a massive difference when compared to EDGE, as other posters have pointed out. I think most page rendering issues will be related to the browser and the N95 available resources IMO. But its certainly enough for me when I need it no matter what kind of connection I'm using, but I'm mostly around another means of internet connection like a PC so I don't rinse it out like some of you guys here might do...
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