Get your act together Nokia!

[vingdom]

Nokia have a very cunning way of selling phones and it's really pissing me off:
First they introduce something new, for example the n95 and then they 'upgrade it' which in this case was the n95 8gb. When I hear the word upgrade I associate it with a certain superiority to its predecessor. This was the case in certain aspects, but they dropped certain features and capabilities (No more tracking on the GPS, a mediocre camera....)
What's more they FAIL to amend certain SIMPLE things such as making a battery that will last you a day at least! Many other companies manage to do this yet Nokia thinks by slowly upgrading their phones they can make the most profit. (Apple has the same technique: instead of jumping from the original iPod to the iPod touch they went through the mini, colour, nano, new nano, click, shuffle and then to the touch) The n96 has 16gb with the possibility of a 8gb memory card but why the hell would I want 24 gigs if the bloody thing won't last me the day with heavy usage? They even downgraded the battery from the n958gb back to the original n95?! Where's the logic behind that?
Another peice of purely shameful work on nokia's behalf is that they knew fulwell that they had a built-in accelerometer and couldn't be bothered to employ some programmers to what in their eyes would be a simple task of 'creating apps'. Instead they leave it to mobile enthusiasts such as Samir and TongRen to create these apps and steal the ideas (if you look at the to be released nokia touch-phone, they have integrated a lot of Samir's ideas).
Why can't Nokia just stick to improving their phones? Instead of having the n95 8gb could they not have just revised the n95 and MAJORLY upgraded the battery, graphics and multi-tasking capabilities? The search bar, for instance is (even after upgrade) far too slow to be used!
I have always used Nokias and I will admit that they are the most superior phones and that I would rather eat my own n95 8gb than change to another phone company but Nokia needs to set things straight especially because other companies are starting to produce better phones with features similar to those of Nokia!
I may be being slightly critical of Nokia but is this not what we come to expect after paying 400GBP (800$) for a brand new phone?

V

[dayene]

i hear you, vingdom! :)

[Mechdon]

I would have to agree with you on that. They should aim to take a huge leap in technology (to develop the perfect phone) that sets them apart from all the competition than to take minor steps....

[dayene]

well that's business for them....

[Mr G]

Great statement

[The.Terrabyte.Pirate]

Originally Posted by vingdom

Nokia have a very cunning way of selling phones and it's really pissing me off:
First they introduce something new, for example the n95 and then they 'upgrade it' which in this case was the n95 8gb. When I hear the word upgrade I associate it with a certain superiority to its predecessor. This was the case in certain aspects, but they dropped certain features and capabilities (No more tracking on the GPS, a mediocre camera....)

Well, to be honest, they tried to remove the tracking feature from all n95's, not just the 8gb version. If you look at it that way, then it's no better or worse.

I don't understand how the camera is mediocre? Isn't is the same 5 mp one in the n95-1? That's still pretty impressive for a phone.

Originally Posted by vingdom

What's more they FAIL to amend certain SIMPLE things such as
making a battery that will last you a day at least!

I thought the n95 8gb did have a better battery? Isn't that why it's thicker and heavier than the n95-1?

Originally Posted by vingdom

Many other companies manage to do this yet Nokia thinks by slowly upgrading their phones they can make the most profit. (Apple has the same technique: instead of jumping from the original iPod to the iPod touch they went through the mini, colour, nano, new nano, click, shuffle and then to the touch) The n96 has 16gb with the possibility of a 8gb memory card but why the hell would I want 24 gigs if the bloody thing won't last me the day with heavy usage? They even downgraded the battery from the n958gb back to the original n95?! Where's the logic behind that?

I hear that the firmware update on the n95-1 dramatically increased battery life (albiet at the cost of the gps tracking function). I'm assuming that the n96 would have better power management in it's firmware also.

I guess you also need to bear in mind that none of these phones was designed for constant heavy usage. Many of the features are handy to have, but they're not meant to replace their specialized counterparts. Sure, I love gps, but if I needed it every day I'd have a proper receiver. I love the phones camera, but if I was using it every day I'd get myself a proper camera also, and a proper computer for browsing the web, and a proper tv for watching.. well.. tv.

Originally Posted by vingdom

Another peice of purely shameful work on nokia's behalf is that they knew fulwell that they had a built-in accelerometer and couldn't be bothered to employ some programmers to what in their eyes would be a simple task of 'creating apps'. Instead they leave it to mobile enthusiasts such as Samir and TongRen to create these apps and steal the ideas (if you look at the to be released nokia touch-phone, they have integrated a lot of Samir's ideas).

Well, Nokia did release the source code to the developers free of charge so that they could go nuts with the accelerometer. It's a smart move, and gives them an idea of what people want in future devices. It also means that the costs of the R&D isn't coming back to us in higher prices. I also think it's wrong to assume that they are "stealing" the ideas of the developers. Most of what they've developed would be a logical progression of the accelerometer program. Chances are, Nokia's developments were in the works for longer than the independent developers had access to the source code. The independant developers can throw a program out whenever they want, with no real responsibility towards bugs, errors, or possible screwing up the entire phone. Nokia programs need to be foolproof, or else it affects their bottom line. They need to be much more cautious.

Originally Posted by vingdom

Why can't Nokia just stick to improving their phones? Instead of having the n95 8gb could they not have just revised the n95 and MAJORLY upgraded the battery, graphics and multi-tasking capabilities? The search bar, for instance is (even after upgrade) far too slow to be used!

In the n95 8gb, they upgraded the battery, increased the ram, and increased the size of the screen. That's check, check and check.

Originally Posted by vingdom

I have always used Nokias and I will admit that they are the most superior phones and that I would rather eat my own n95 8gb than change to another phone company but Nokia needs to set things straight especially because other companies are starting to produce better phones with features similar to those of Nokia!
I may be being slightly critical of Nokia but is this not what we come to expect after paying 400GBP (800$) for a brand new phone?

V

Well, as I said before, it is just a phone, and I do feel that you're being overly negative. The n95 has some fantastic functions, and at the moment nothing compares to it. I agree that the n96 isn't as good as the n95 based on it's specs alone, but wait 12 months to see what the next generation of phones will be like. For me, I'm not attached to any particular brand, but to the phone itself. Before my n95-1 I had the truly awesome for-it's-time SE S700i ( I loved the swivel opening, and the 3.2 mp camera was truly amazing). When my contract is over, I'll see what else is available.

[Leong]

I think something like this has been discussed months ago. I agree with you completely, but as some1 on the forums said before, Nokia has to take care of their business too, and i guess they have decided to take "short-cuts" now.

In a way i guess you're right, I have been a Nokian as far as i've lived and i too think it is the greatest phone making company so far. Actually instead of doing what they are ( creating cheap rip-off phones like the N95 8Gb and N96), i think they should adapt a more BOSE-like strategy. Charge full blow (which Nokia already has with the N95), and give unquestionably excellent customer support. Such as free battery replacement, optional hardware upgrades and so on.

[dayene]

nice one leong. they need to have an international warranty support also like SE. i never get picky on where my SE phone is from because they will fix it even if it's made from china or elsewhere.

[Bartmanekul]

Originally Posted by The.Terrabyte.Pirate

I guess you also need to bear in mind that none of these phones was designed for constant heavy usage. Many of the features are handy to have, but they're not meant to replace their specialized counterparts. Sure, I love gps, but if I needed it every day I'd have a proper receiver. I love the phones camera, but if I was using it every day I'd get myself a proper camera also, and a proper computer for browsing the web, and a proper tv for watching.. well.. tv.

I reckon thats wrong. Sure, the phone might not be as good as a dedicated device, but its defeinatly capable to doing a good enough job. My phone replaces my GPS, my camera, and etc etc. And if tomtom was available for my phone (using the internal GPS, not BT before anyone says anything), it would be good enough to use daily.

Phones are designed for heavy use, otherwise whats the point? A 5mp cam your only going to use infrequently?

Regardless of its aim, its extremely clear that nokia are going backwards in the terms of battery/power. I dont care what power saving improvments its got. TV tuner on a 950 battery? Wtf?

To cut a long argument short, nokia (in most peoples opinion on here) are the best, but they could be doing a lot better.

[gavinguinness]

As consumers, we have to accept that we will get shafted from all directions and there's nothing we can do about it. I fully agree with the OP's statement and have done my fair share of ranting about it. But at the end of the day, we have no voice to be heard.

Memory cards being the worst offenders, in my book.

"Shall we release this 16gb card, Jim?"
"Good heavens no Simon! We'll release this 2gb piece of poo, then in about 6 months, release a 4gb, the tease them with a 6gb, then the 8gb, then a 12gb, then at about Christmas time when everyone's skint, we'll release the 16gb. Then we'll change the shape of the card and start over."
"Isn't that a bit sneaky Jim"
"Hey, we gotta make a buck somehow Simon..."
"Fair enough Jim, I'll just stick this in the drawer for a bit then"