Comparing n95 to iPhone

[iphonerN95]

Originally Posted by The Patrician

No, you see we have 3G.

Incidentally, only 146,000 activations over the first weekend and surveys showing complaints about the 2G connection speeds?

Dear me.

good for you....here in the US (or at least in los angeles) the n95 does not work with the existing 3g cingular network (or at least it did not for me...) reception is better with the iphone, and speed tests showed the iphone continually about 20% faster...i won't go into wifi and edge switching, having to dig into menus every time i do that is just not very cool....
of course if you are in europe then you can enjoy much faster connection (and pay per kb) but in that case you haven't even seen the iphone, so you cannot participate in a informed discussion....

not sure where you get the 146000 activations in the first weekend, afaik a lot more where sold, and i don't think people are just sitting on them.....regardless if you think the iphone is a success or a fraud or hype....apple stock is up and 40% of iphone users came from other providers, so cingular is happy....would it make you happy if the iphone is a major bomb? would that make the n95 in any way better? or the iphone in any way worse? i came here to have a discussion about this but you guys are blindly bashing the iphone while gloryfying the n95....that is simply idiotic....

one is not better then the other...they do things differently and the n95 has more features....for some the implementation of these features is lacking true useablility for the sake of putting everything into one gizmo....

the discussion of 2vs5mpix is a beautiful example of this....of course the n95 will give you a better image...sharper, better color (after firmware upgrades...) no question....but i really want someone here to admit to the horrendous shutterlag and af searching! come on! once you have the shot, it is beautiful....but sometimes that isn't the point at all....to email a quick shot (of a location) to put something on ebay, to grab a funny scene....i am a photographer...i have a 31mpix digital back...do you think i pull that out to grab that shot? of course not....would i like the iphone to have a better camera? of course! one like the n95? maybe not....one like the SE790? maybe, but i don't want the bulk....so i am "stuck" with a 2mpix camera that does exactly what i need it to do....
i want my phone to last at least one day.....sorry, but the n95 does not.....maybe it is the gps? maybe that is why they did not put it in?...
do i need bluetooth sync? no....too slow....wifi sync? maybe...still slow....of course syncing 1gb of music to the n95 took 45min, so maybe it is all in perspective.....

i am amazed by how someone who obviously has to be a major geek to enjoy the n95 so much cannot be open enough to see what the advantages of the iphone are......of course it isn't perfect....but anyone with half a mind and heart for gizmos has to get excited about it.....if they have tried it of course....

it just looks really sad to hang out with your buddies and all blow your own horns over and over and over....yeah you are soooo cool....

an advice: stick together, because that way you can drown out any logical argument....

[DaveW]

You are pretty funny. I have no intention of trying to stop any logical argument.

You made several comments that are wrong however. I use my phone quite a bit any have never run the battery dead. I can see it happen, but that is why they let you replace the battery. A multi function device such as these, iPhone included, should always have the ability replace the battery. This one lacking feature alone is enough reason to not buy the iPhone. It shows complete unawareness to the fact that cell phones are commonly used in emergency situations where you may not have power to recharge.

That is enough right there. The iPhone is not even a qualified cell phone for personal security and ease of mind.

[DaveW]

Originally Posted by geoffbaker

NDPTAL85


Your argument that Apple is being 'smart' about this is silly... even you have talked about the features you expect will be added - and no doubt want to see... Apple just did the best job it could, and WYSIWYG. v1.1 will have better email. v2 will have a better camera a new features...

You're just buying the Jobs hype... and his bulls*t explanations of lack of features... if he had the technical capability to add a 5mp camera, it would have been there and he would have been crowing about it, but he didn't... so he tells you (and you believe it) that hey, you don't need better than 2mp... buy a camera! But next year, he'll forget the bull he told you this year and will explain to you (and you will buy it again) that you need a 5mp camera and cell-phone-tower-based GPS and you will dutifully line up and explain to the person next to you in line what a genius Steve is.

Excellent truthful and informative comment.

[pseudofinn]

First off- iPhoner, if you think you're engaging in anything other than blind love for your iPhone, you're sorely mistaken. If you think you're contributing logical arguments to your cause, you're just as mistaken.

At any rate- yes, 146,000 activations opening weekend. It's true.

Apple's stock is not up- it droped THREE DOLLARS with reports of the less than spectacular opening.

Facts. Yay.

[The Patrician]

Originally Posted by iphonerN95

good for you....here in the US (or at least in los angeles) the n95 does not work with the existing 3g cingular network (or at least it did not for me...) reception is better with the iphone, and speed tests showed the iphone continually about 20% faster...i won't go into wifi and edge switching, having to dig into menus every time i do that is just not very cool....

True. I don't think the N95 is currently optimised for the American market.

of course if you are in europe then you can enjoy much faster connection (and pay per kb) but in that case you haven't even seen the iphone, so you cannot participate in a informed discussion....

Except I don't pay per kB as I have an unlimited data package. As for the iPhone, true, I can't speak from experience, however the slow 2G speeds complaints are coming from American surveys.

not sure where you get the 146000 activations in the first weekend, afaik a lot more where sold, and i don't think people are just sitting on them.....

AT&T's quarterly results. It's all over the tech news. I anticipate the actual sale of units will exceed this - perhaps up to 300K.

regardless if you think the iphone is a success or a fraud or hype....apple stock is up and 40% of iphone users came from other providers, so cingular is happy....

Apple closed down 6% yesterday on the back of this news. The stock may, of course, go up again dependign on Apple's results declared today.

would it make you happy if the iphone is a major bomb? would that make the n95 in any way better? or the iphone in any way worse? i came here to have a discussion about this but you guys are blindly bashing the iphone while gloryfying the n95....that is simply idiotic....

Did you? Really?

one is not better then the other...they do things differently and the n95 has more features....for some the implementation of these features is lacking true useablility for the sake of putting everything into one gizmo....

Agree with first part, disagree with the second. Never had any probs with the N95's usablility.

the discussion of 2vs5mpix is a beautiful example of this....of course the n95 will give you a better image...sharper, better color (after firmware upgrades...) no question....but i really want someone here to admit to the horrendous shutterlag and af searching! come on! once you have the shot, it is beautiful....but sometimes that isn't the point at all....to email a quick shot (of a location) to put something on ebay, to grab a funny scene....i am a photographer...i have a 31mpix digital back...do you think i pull that out to grab that shot? of course not....would i like the iphone to have a better camera? of course! one like the n95? maybe not....one like the SE790? maybe, but i don't want the bulk....so i am "stuck" with a 2mpix camera that does exactly what i need it to do....

I think we answered that when we mentioned that this problem seems to be unique to yourself. I'd also point out we can send our images by MMS, somethigng you can't.

i want my phone to last at least one day.....sorry, but the n95 does not.....maybe it is the gps? maybe that is why they did not put it in?...
do i need bluetooth sync? no....too slow....wifi sync? maybe...still slow....of course syncing 1gb of music to the n95 took 45min, so maybe it is all in perspective.....

Err... it does last more than one day. I'd point out that the iPhone has exactly the same battery issues and that Apple have released a guide on how to conserve power (turn down brightness, etc),

As for features you don't need, great: the iPhone suits you and is a better personal choice - a point made way back. It's just not good enough for most of us here.

Finally, for synching, I transfer my music by USB card reader and it takes a couple of minutes tops for 3Gb. That's the beauty of detachable memory.

i am amazed by how someone who obviously has to be a major geek to enjoy the n95 so much cannot be open enough to see what the advantages of the iphone are......of course it isn't perfect....but anyone with half a mind and heart for gizmos has to get excited about it.....if they have tried it of course....

Except most of us quite clearly acknowledge the iPhone's good points, we're just not going to pretend the bad points don't exist. We'll also openly admit that the N95 isn't perfect either, it just suits us better than the iPhone.

As for 'major geek' I prefer the term 'technologically competent'.

it just looks really sad to hang out with your buddies and all blow your own horns over and over and over....yeah you are soooo cool....

Not really. You've just been proven to be a liar and a fool that's all.

an advice: stick together, because that way you can drown out any logical argument....

Your argument isn't logical as it's based on subjective opinion. k?

[DaveW]

Originally Posted by The Patrician

As for 'major geek' I prefer the term 'technologically competent'.

That is actually the truthful and complete definition without adding in stereotyping and slander. It is an excellent point.

[geoffbaker]

iphoner said...

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>>> the discussion of 2vs5mpix is a beautiful example of this....of course the n95 will give you a better image...sharper, better color (after firmware upgrades...) no question....but i really want someone here to admit to the horrendous shutterlag and af searching!

didn't we point out that the upgrade to v12 fixed this? Much faster af and no shutterlag... huge improvement... just a FYI, iphoner. Let's see Steve upgrade your 2mp to a 5mp via OS upgrade...

>>> so maybe it is all in perspective..... i am amazed by how someone who obviously has to be a major geek to enjoy the n95 so much cannot be open enough to see what the advantages of the iphone are......of course it isn't perfect....but anyone with half a mind and heart for gizmos has to get excited about it.....if they have tried it of course....

my answer to this is....

what advantages, exactly, are you talking about?

If you look at a list of features - side by side - the n95 has the advantage, every time. Period. Camera. Sync. Memory. GPS. Bluetooth. 1200 apps... the list just goes on and on and on.

Only if you want to talk about 'wow factor' as an ADVANTAGE can you make a case for the iphone.

The iphone? Yes its sexy. Yes, its cool. Are these really advantages? Maybe if you're hard up for dates, you think the iphone is going to turn women on?

I don't see any advantages. I see hype, and cute, and slick.

I'm not saying the iphone isnt a cool toy. But advantages? Like slow network, high fees, poor camera, lack of software, no GPS, these are advantages?

Where is the iphone actually better?

I see one area, one area alone... larger screen.

I think touchscreen and virtual keyboards can't be listed as an advantage... the verdict isn't out on whether people will prefer this technology long term. As I've said elsewhere, touchscreens have been around a while - and have been heavily hyped before, like the Newton. Result? Nothing, people turned out to prefer buttons, something they didn't have to think about and look carefully at each time they used them...

So the iphone is cool. So were 8tracks and so were bellbottoms and polyester. As someone else said, the iphone is a cool interface housing old technology... nothing new. The n95 is a more traditional smartphone interface housing some radical new stuff.

The iphone will of course, be the phone of choice for poseurs, house decorators, ad agency executives, marketing directors and third-rate-band managers.

[pseudofinn]

iPhoner- you want to discuss the AF and shutter lag?

Okay... first of all, does the iPhone have a mechanical shutter? What's the shutter speed on that 2megapixel afterthought of a camera? Gee- how long does it take for your iPhone to auto focus?? Hell...

Secondly, the lag has been THOROUGHLY discussed. This is an N95 community, so you'll find N95 information elsewhere on this site than just this ridiculous thread you adore so much (though I have no idea why, you're really making a fool out of yourself here, and you're going to great lengths to reinforce the impression most of the members here have of iPhone users). If you want answers to some of the "hard hitting" questions you've been throwing at us, it's very easy.

Do a search, find the thread and enjoy yourself.

I will make a couple of further points. You really think the AF takes too long? Don't use it, genius. You think there's horrible shutter lag? What do you mean? Are you talking about the difference in time of the shutter snapping a photo and the shutter sounds? You do of course realize that this is a sound that the phone makes when you take a picture, not the actual sound of the shutter mechanism, right? You of course also realize, based on how much importance you obviously put on software updates, that there's not much of a problem with this anymore, yeah?


What a weak argument. I mean, are you even serious at this point?!? The iPhone doesn't have autofocus- your argument is that AF takes too long? Are we going to talk more about blind loyalty again soon? Because we might have to reference this later... along with all the other "blind love" comments you've made. "I don't need a GPS, no one really does", "I'll carry a real camera with me", "I wouldn't use MMS even if I could".

No one forces you to use autofocus- I for one, really like it. It makes pictures nice and sharp. But who cares about that, right? If I wanted a sharp picture, I'd just use a real camera.

Oh, wait! I do.

An N95. How about that. Fantastic. 5mpix, carl zeiss optics, AF, a flash w/ redeye reduction, macro settings, ISO, white balance, exposure compensation... do I need to keep going?

Of course not. You're an iPhoner. You obviously wouldn't understand...

You seriously can't see the comedic value of your postings here yet? It's a total f$&@ing joke. What are you getting out of this?

As far as admittance of problems go... how many times have you been DIRECTLY questioned on something that you refuse to comment on? What about stereo audio... are you going to tell me you can't hear out of one ear anyway, so it's useless??

This is just beyond STUPID at this point.

[DaveW]

Originally Posted by geoffbaker

The iphone? Yes its sexy. Yes, its cool. Are these really advantages? Maybe if you're hard up for dates, you think the iphone is going to turn women on?

Which phone has better vibration?
Which one will have code to control that sooner?

Now that this thread has become so humorous I just had to add that.

Both phones can control a sinulator over the internet, but only the N95 can do it without the internet.

[geoffbaker]

To return this thread to its beginning, users might be interested to go to the latest Robert Scoble blog... in which he once again systematically misrepresents the n95 vs the iphone... including stating that it takes 11 clicks to access google maps via 1 on the iphone... ignoring the ability of the n95 to set any app up as a one-click standby...
And this guy pretends to be unbiased...