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Old 01-26-2008, 07:28 PM
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Ok I want to share some knowledge with people that might not understand computers well. A lot of the problem with fake cards isn't actually because they're fake it's because they're labeled and defined differently. So I don't have to type here's a good excerpt from wikipedia that defines it. It also tells you why when you stick your card in you don't get a full 8 Gigs like expected.

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As of 2007, most consumer hard drives are defined by their gigabyte-range capacities. The true capacity is usually some number above or below the class designation. Although most manufacturers of hard disks and Flash disks define 1 gigabyte as 1,000,000,000 bytes, the computer operating systems used by most users usually calculate a gigabyte by dividing the bytes (whether it is disk capacity, file size, or system RAM) by 1,073,741,824. This distinction is a cause of confusion, as a hard disk with a manufacturer rated capacity of 400 gigabytes may have its capacity reported by the operating system as only 372 GB, depending on the type of report.

The difference between units based on SI and binary prefixes increases exponentially — in other words, an SI kilobyte is nearly 98% as much as a kibibyte, but a megabyte is under 96% as much as a mebibyte, and a gigabyte is just over 93% as much as a gibibyte. This means that a 500 GB hard disk drive would appear as "465 GB". As storage sizes get larger and higher units are used, this difference will become more pronounced.

Note that computer memory is addressed in base 2, due to its design, so memory size is always a power of two (or some closely related quantity, for instance 384 MiB = 3×227 bytes). It is thus convenient to work in binary units for RAM at the hardware level (for example, in using DIMM memory units). RAM memory size as seen by application software has no consistent bias towards power of two units, as the operating system will allocate memory in other granularities. Other computer measurements, like storage hardware size, data transfer rates, clock speeds, operations per second, etc., do not have an inherent base, and are usually presented in decimal units.

An example, take a hard drive that can store exactly 250×109 or 250 billion bytes after formatting. Generally, operating systems calculate disk and file sizes using binary numbers, so this 250 GB drive would be reported as "232.83 GB". The result is that there is a significant discrepancy between what the consumer believes they have purchased and what their operating system says they have.

Some consumers feel short-changed when they discover the difference, and claim that manufacturers of drives and data transfer devices are using the decimal measurements in an intentionally misleading way to inflate their numbers. Several legal disputes have been waged over the confusion. See Binary prefix — Legal disputes.

To further complicate matters, flash memory chips are organized in multiples of 2, but retail flash memory products have available capacities specified by multiples of 10. Removable flash storage products contain file systems that make the devices behave like hard disks instead of RAM, yet it is called 'memory'. In operating systems like Windows Vista, flash memory can indeed be treated like RAM.

The basis of the problem is that the official definition of the SI units is not well known,[citation needed] and some legal settlements include directions for manufacturers to use clearer info, e.g. by stating a hard disk's size in both GB and GiB. However, JEDEC memory standards still uses the IEEE 100 nomenclatures.
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While that may be true, fake in this sense most likely means pirated.

As I said in a previous post, I bought a card that gave me pretty much what it said on the tin. The only problem was that despite CLAIMING to be a Sony memory stick, it wasn't. I didn't care as it did what it was meant to.

Hell, I have seen 'pirated' washing powder.

Most 'pirated' (fake) memory is going to be cheap and unlikely to last. That is the problem. Not the misunderstanding of how Bits, Bytes, Megabytes etc. really translate!
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Old 01-26-2008, 08:03 PM
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yeah Pie I understand that as well but just wanted to add to your info. There are several ways of pirating memory as some get fakes, some get a lot less storage than expected and I've seen the question why is my 8gig card being read as 7.6 or so on. Just adding to the knowledge
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