Nokia N95

Micky · #1 07-28-2008, 07:42 AM

As title really, after reading over on Nokia Discussions, Nokia maybe cracking down on people trying to upgrade their firmware to the very latest available by means of changing their handsets product code via NSS. As we all know, changing your product code, does in deed remove the handsets Nokia Warranty, so maybe Nokia are thinking, they will remove the ability for these devices to upgrade?

If this is true, how many of us will be doomed, and stuck on our present firmware.? Lots.!

Can Nokia do this? I guess they can.

Discuss....

dtm · #2 07-28-2008, 07:59 AM

im sure nokia sales will plummet if they do. I mean whats the point in having a phone with most of then features advertised removed by certain operators

Logan · #3 07-28-2008, 08:14 AM

Sad news. However, all Nokia are doing is erecting another hurdle, another challenge for some clever hacker types to figure it out and get round it ;)

mrbob2 · #4 07-28-2008, 08:53 AM

Erm isnt this really really bad? i mean, My N95 is(was) on orange, v13, it was awful and im sure orange are doing nothing to resolve the issue of updating. Even if i knew when i modded my number i STILL would have updated to v21 as it makes the phone so much better.

It would be terrible if my phone was unable to be updated but im SURE the hacker types will get round it easily enough.

Shame on you nokia! The only reason we modify is to change use our buggy and eratic handsets into something decent which isnt there from the start!!

sp00k · #5 07-28-2008, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by dtm

im sure nokia sales will plummet if they do. I mean whats the point in having a phone with most of then features advertised removed by certain operators

I doubt that sales will be affected, the vast majority of customers who obtain a true smartphone cheaply, or in many cases at no immediate cost at all, don't realise it's full capabilities anyway. The users of this and similar forums are a minority of Nokia's smartphone-customers, if a facility isn't presented in a plain and simple manner, the average user won't even be aware of it... Or recognise the lack of such a facility... Hence the popularity in some sections of the buying-public, of the iPhone! ;)

However, for those who DO realise what is available, this seems a very good reason to buy the N95 and it's derivatives SIM-Free, as in addition to not being intentionally crippled by the provider, the updated versions of the generic firmware appear to be available long before the rest catch up.

If true, then it's a very unfriendly move by Nokia in any event and hopefully, as Logan says, the hackers will work on it, although it won't be easy as the updater software links directly to Nokia's servers in order to function!

Whilst Nokia is to be condemned for this move to 'lock down' the firmware versions to specific handsets, I suspect that the true instigators of this restriction are the service providers, who foresee their revenue diminishing due to customers using firmware not handicapped by them and therefore not being forced to solely use their services.

mrbob2 · #6 07-28-2008, 09:14 AM

I feel its rather unfair.

Mine is an orange phone that only accept orange sim cards.

I have no desire to go to another network.

The only reason i debranded was to upgrade my firmware to a usable level as the orange firmware SUUUUCKED!!!

If orange actually were bothered to fix thier messed up software i wouldnt have needed to debrand. Im still using thier services so why are these people getting "uppity" about this issue?

Im glad i have v21, it works, my phone is fast and to be honest, if the next 5 updates dont really change much i wont mind.

It is however mildy annoying that i wont be able to update

How about orange only allowing me to update my phone to orange firmware v21 if it comes out?

I wont mind using thier firmware if they just make it usable!!!!

Steven_Smith · #7 07-28-2008, 09:17 AM

You say it will be done by the hacker types, however this takes a whole new type of hacker. The symbian hackers probably won't stand a chance at it. This sort of thing requires the use of port scanners and packet monitoring, if someone can figure out the packet which is sent between the NSU and the servers they should be able to create a program to catch it and then send a different one which will update the phone.

In theory this could have been done rather than changing product codes, may have even been easier also. Obviously this would leave the program open to people trying to spread viruses and also to install software that the phone shouldn't have to your phone without telling you (i.e. redirecting you to a non-NSU server).

Imation_NZ · #8 07-28-2008, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by GSi-R

As title really, after reading over on Nokia Discussions, Nokia maybe cracking down on people trying to upgrade their firmware to the very latest available by means of changing their handsets product code via NSS. As we all know, changing your product code, does in deed remove the handsets Nokia Warranty, so maybe Nokia are thinking, they will remove the ability for these devices to upgrade?

If this is true, how many of us will be doomed, and stuck on our present firmware.? Lots.!

Can Nokia do this? I guess they can.

Discuss....

Well lets start of with the good note - I think the V21 Firmware is pretty good on the N95-1 everything works alot better than V14. so what more can they inprove on??? well maybe put MORE RAM in when they built the phone. Yes that would have been better. but they did not.

So if this does block me from updating I am not losing that much still got a pretty kick as* phone.

And really what more can they do???

On the other hand if you changed your product code and never changed it back. The phone already thinks i have the new product as i can upgrade to better software,so it must be saved somewhere in it.

How would the NSU updated know that i have changed it???

is there a file left over from NSS???? when you changed it in the first place?

Or maybe it will be the people who changed it and then updated and then changed it back so when they update the NSU will see that the old firmware is not the same as there product code

How would they know if you never changed it back that is the question???????

sp00k · #9 07-28-2008, 10:28 AM

Hmm... If you EVER change your product code AND connect to the updater (which is done via Nokia's server), believe me, NOKIA KNOWS!.... It's even recorded on the data that can be accessed by NSC's... Changing it back again won't alter their records!

AngusG · #10 07-28-2008, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by GSi-R

Can Nokia do this? I guess they can.

They can... when your phone checks for updates, it records the IMEI.. It wouldn't be hard to restrict IMEIs to a single product code..

I'm not sure how it'd behave if you changed it and then changed it back though..

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Originally Posted by Steven_Smith

You say it will be done by the hacker types, however this takes a whole new type of hacker. The symbian hackers probably won't stand a chance at it. This sort of thing requires the use of port scanners and packet monitoring, if someone can figure out the packet which is sent between the NSU and the servers they should be able to create a program to catch it and then send a different one which will update the phone.

It could also theoritically be done by figuring out where NSU caches the update, and figuring out what to do with it then as well..

Wouldn't be easy though..